Correctional kindergarten for speech. Specialized kindergartens. Documents for passing PMPK

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 02:43 am

Dear mommies, help advice.
Child 4.3 years. From September to Logosad. The hints of "Child complex, not like everyone else went." Moreover, before that, he went to a regular garden for half a year and no one complained about him, he didn't communicate with his children, he didn't go to contact with adults. The child was only in February, and when he was 3.8. Now there is a huge progress in speech for six months, but, of course, the peers are far behind. It is probably talking about as a three-year older.
In general, in the new garden they are not satisfied that the child is very active, runs everywhere, does not listen to the educators (in another garden he listened for some reason), does not play with children (but recently some attempts began to do) and most importantly - Not sleeping in a quiet hour (again everything was OK in that garden) and interferes with other children and do nothing caregivers with him can do. With children in the group, it does not engage - classes breaks, individually with the speech therapist is also not engaged.
Press it is already month. Yesterday was openly said that you can't drive us out, but it was not a place to us in this garden. Today I stated me that the development of my child for 2 years and that it can still be saved, but it is necessary to do something everywhere He needs a psychiatrist, a correctional garden and accompanying in this garden.
We did EEG in the summer, the result is good, everything in age as it is necessary. The year ago went to the Institute of Correctional Pedagoki when the child did not speak at all and there they put him a VERC with the features of the emotional-volitional sphere. Now they recorded again. I went to the neurologist, no one went to the neurologist -To did not find Patalog in except for speech, we have never set any diagnoses of the type of SDR or SRRR or something indicating problems with intelligence.
The son knows how to count, from 2.5 years knows all the shapes geometric, colors, the letters of numbers, possesses all self-service skills, perfectly disassembled with a TV, console, computer and telephone, virtuoso remembers the road (even long), oriented almost better I, if we drove it once on this path, and I never focused on this.
A child from spring goes to engage in a straightologist's spectacular speech therapist, who can be worked out with him for 40 minutes, he is of course getting distracted, can jump around her, but classes go, she praises him and says that I see a very good dynamics, but I see it myself that the speech of the child is developing, the sounds she puts him, the massage of the language does. And this speech therapist is a defectologist who does with very heavy children, told me that in the correctional garden to give a child in any way case is impossible, t To there, the kids are very complex and my child will repeat over them. There are cases when children are produced from this garden and then they are sent to the children's department of Kashchenko, they put schizophrenia, the school is suitable later, in general, the future is gloomy ...
Who can say about the correctional gardens? Is there any experience? Or do you advise what to do in this situation?
We already actively want to translate into a correctional garden for children with mental disabilities, and here I think not to try to return to our old garden, where there was no problem in the child, but about speech problems We also do with our speech therapist, and from the Logosad the child is absolutely no sense, teachers and teachers there can not tolerate him and for fools they think.

Oct 6 2011, 03:56 am

Is it possible to return to the old garden? I probably returned. The main thing is to contact, not the name of the garden. Moreover, with a logopian-defectologist, you are separately engaged.
there are also inclusive gardens. There are children with a special behavior (1-2 people per group), but at the same time the child is developing among ordinary peers, learns on a common program. It may be recommended additionally classes with a psychologist and speech therapist. A child with a regular map is produced from there, like everyone else (if you yourself do not want to specify anything to it).

regarding the correction garden. They are different. Probably, you really do not need there. But the fact that children are automatically produced in the Children's Office Kashchenko - Brad. Only mom decides where to learn to a child where to be treated where to undergo what surveys. They can recommend you (!) To pass the survey. And that - just what kind of examination, and not where to pass it. And private paid centers do not enter the examination history into a common base / card.
now according to the law, the mother even a sick child can give secondary school. has the right to. Another question is if the school does not want to take it, she will try to fade it. But not to accept - can not.
if you are afraid that visiting the crince will affect the school entering school - you can say at school that the garden did not visit. And make medical maps to school "from pure sheet".

the child in the garden should be comfortable. I would vote for the first garden + many, many private special occupations.

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 11:00 am

Thank you very much for the answer!

Oct 6 2011, 01:15 PM

Return to the former garden. And the baby belt is good, so that he behaved fine!
I also started problems at your age (I didn't know anything about what you know), with the help of a speech therapist fixed everything. Now the child is ahead of many in the development of many, although the youngest in the group. And the behavior was normal.
God forbid from the correction garden, you can annex a normal baby there.

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 01:56 PM

Thank you, Sonyata! :)
We would now return to the old garden, but something tells me that from the Logosada to the usual just will not be translated, so I set up a problem, would leave in the old and trouble would not know ...

Oct 6 2011, 02:35 PM

And it seems to me that the child's adaptation to a new garden is from here and unwillingness to sleep during the day, and disobedience (used to caregivers from the old garden). Since in the new, judging by the description, Grymza, and not rapidly - come back to the old garden.
It is better to stay completely without a garden than getting the direction in the correctional - especially since you have developed healthy baby. Run from there.

Oct 6 2011, 02:52 PM

Uzhos. Nafiga you translated it into the logosad ????

I refused to be transferred to the log agroup for this reason, suggesting that everything could end. Found a speech therapist and began to engage.

By the way, your boy has a problem in behavior most likely caused by problems in speech! So, in any case, our speech therapist believes. Those. As soon as my children spoke well - the aggression stopped, the aggression was decreased (there was an aggressive, because I wanted that he did not understand), the prestige of peers appeared, the child began to do progress in the lessons (correct motivation).

We must return it all forces back, in the former garden.

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 03:28 PM

He went to this garden in the group for a year older. There were no problems: and he slept and walked it as it should, the only one with the children did not communicate, but I also write off the fact that I started talking late, so now he has A boy appeared in the group with whom he likes to play, he also played with the girl, but it begins to socialize somehow. The problem went only after September 1, when two new teachers appeared and the Sasha's speech therapist also hates.
He, of course, have some behavioral features, which from the side we look at the side (maybe on the group it is worn and yelling excitedly in the game), but the child absorbs the garden program, it serves himself and t d, and they say there with behavior, but they say that he is inadequate and the word "impossible" does not understand ... Although here we understand, but it is necessary to get it, I said it, but I answer: "But all the children, everyone understands everything, do everything, everyone sleeps or If you do not sleep, then quietly lie, and so children like your garden in our garden. "
I will try to return to the old one, there, too, everything was not perfect (broke the stroller of one girl, I'm new I bought, everyone was happy), but even the hints were not that there is here ...

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 03:40 PM

Translated into the Logosad, because there were no problems in the first, I thought that Logosad was just for him, ton in the first garden, the kids were generally spoken very well and all the educators said to us: "You would be in a speech therapy garden, There are few children, they will be engaged with him, we cannot give him a lot of time with him, "but in a simple garden, the educators were sitting on their initiative and were engaged in books !! He can be said in this garden and began to talk when he came there He spoke of words 10, when after 4 months already suggested and explained.
And in Logosad we are told that, on the contrary, we are speech - this is a symptom of some disease and that we have a good EEG, neurologists do not see any psycho. Deviations - they are not a wave of that much better than saying, but it does not matter, it almost does not ask questions except "Mom, what are you doing there?" or "Where is the dad \\ machine \\ any toy?", With children in group games, it is still not ready to play - this is, I see the maximum in the catch-up, but I have already started to enter into some kind of dialogue, it used to just ignored. It is clear that it is clear that The child is not the easiest, but it seems to me that it is not developed for two years, as I was told yesterday ...

Oct 6 2011, 03:56 PM

Ask back to the garden, a child - a good speech therapist (well, you have it), mode and pludd. You, as I understood, the guithers. There is a topic about hyperactive children. I also have a hyper. What is valid for them: the unity of requirements (otherwise they are lost and begin to bring anarchy), non-rational performance of the regime, rigor. He needs to help control himself, and the scope of control in such children is developed very badly.
Hyperactivity is considered an extreme version of the norm, but such children are very uncomfortable gardens and schools. Get ready for war until it turns out.

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 04:58 PM

You know, I also thought about hyperactivity ... But it seems to me that this is not exactly our case, though, maybe you will correct me:
Sasha later went, fillers, villages, etc. (within the limits of the norm, but extreme - went a year and two almost). According to the street until one and a half years he did not want to walk, wanted to ride only in the stroller.
Then he can calmly sit quietly sit, not getting up, flipping new interesting books or picks up in my phone (there are cartoons, videos, pictures, TV, there is something to do). It can be very active on the street, at home, playing with dad in mobile Games, in the garden, I could also freeze in the garden, began to run yelling, something to throw something (and in the new one is constantly). But now I put to sleep on an hour, sitting quietly in the crib of books, there is no sound.
As far as I understood, hyperactive children a maximum of 5 minutes can sit calmly, very early sit down, crawl, go and do not sleep in the afternoon, but how the button they pressed in the evening.

Sasha is really a rigor acts, but sometimes for a toy / candy will do something, for example, "Sasha, do you want Capatycha? (We have straight shutters, then you have to relax, sit on the crib and sleep". "It is necessary to replace the rigor of persuasion For something, talking strictly, but calmly. In general, there are never once in that garden and in the summer I didn't complain about it that he was not asleep ... And how did you like in the garden?

I'm thinking, maybe a calming for a child to serve? Of course, I will advise with experts before.
Interestingly your opinion: Did you have treated your child with medication or are you against it?

Oct 6 2011, 05:13 PM

What about Sasha with group tasks? Well, play the ball, collecting something out of the designer together, to draw something together? (along with children, not with mom)

Mama Natasha

Oct 6 2011, 05:51 PM

QUOTE. (Sonyata @ Oct 6 2011, 04:13 PM)

I treated medication, according to the recommendation of the educator (she studied on a defectologist + her special child) gave Pantoga and Encephol. The effect was no one. On the recommendation of the pediatrician gave Phenibut, the rest of the whole apartment was ruined and the Pediatrician recommendation herself "can serve the phenibut if you want" - strange, that's not candy. In general, he did not come up.
Watched his psychiatrist (Mine Friend), spent for a long time, one and a half hours. She said (he was then 4 times or a little more) that the child is intellectually reduced, i.e. This is the norm - but the low rate, in the school Troika there will be its assessment, more not to demand.
After working with the speech therapist (year), she said that the child would not recognize, apparently, there was still pedagogical nestry.

But you have a few more. The child sits calmly (!). Hyper will not sit so much, even for a toy. There are problems in communicating with peers - it is necessary to exclude autism. You can talk here with moms of autists to know and differentiate. If certainly not autism - then, apparently, the problems of speech, because of this, contact with peers is reduced (I had a little bit wrong, he contacted himself very much, played, everything was involved, but if I did not understand - I was not understood and fought) by the way , Hinters are sleeping in the afternoon, if you put. They are important in general.
What about Sasha with group tasks? Well, play the ball, collecting something out of the designer together, to draw something together? (along with children, not with mom)

Yeah ... medication, it means not a panacea)

Together with me, even something to gather and draw - it's not at all to Sasha. I barely forced the pyramid to 2.5 !!! For years. It is now more complex pyramids for his age already greatly collects well, but all this is collective - it's not at all. It was liked to draw him at one time, but it was three years old - Balyaki Malyaki, then now I liked to paint paints, but it's not for a short time and also koryavo. Sasha instantly grasps how to handle any technique (TV, prefix, spending DVD, phone), So that he could watch the cartoon) knows the correct cartoon number, even if there is no digit indicating the number. In general, our numbers are the letters, colors, shapes, buttons, technician - he learned everything for this month, the colors generally anyone knows what.

Today we go with him by the hand, he suddenly says to me "I want to give a left handle" and comes to me on the other hand to give the left handle. It seems to me that such behavior for 4 years is not typical ... Although, maybe I am mistaken.

Oct 6 2011, 09:25 PM

During intensive "treatment" we:
- every day went to the garden, took after a quiet hour
- engaged 3 times a week with speech therapist
- 1 time per week hippotherapy
- 1 time per week (4 hours) - Psychologist (Saturday)
- Saturday evening - swimming pool
- Massage 1 time per week
- Kinesiotherapist 1 time per week
- defectologist 2 times a week
+ Medicometallic support

but we did not do at home. She had a non-working attitude. We had to carry.

we spoke about 3.5 ... well, so .. at least it became clear. But wrong.

it is typical for the 3-4-tip ... The son knows the left-right and pr ... to 100 does not consider, but everything knows how.

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 12:23 am

Wow !!! Here is the treatment !!! seriously! And how much time did you have such active treatment?

And where did you find a psychologist?
How do you think the pool and hippotherapy helped hard much?
And what is the massage?
About the kinesiotherapist for the first time I hear

I thought that the logosad and the speech therapist is a defectologist - it is already super, and it turns out how much still needs it !!

Oct 7 2011, 08:48 am

QUOTE.

I gave you this pyramid for me does not collect so far

He is uncomfortable, only and everything. I, for example, on hand with my husband, too, always only go to the left
Does he not interact with children in general? (her husband has a senior child with autistic features - a lot of conversations, something adjusted - True, later)
IMHO - you have healthy childwhich develops with its schedule. Stop comparing, return the child to the team in which it is comfortable and continue to do with the speech therapist.

Oct 7 2011, 10:10 am

QUOTE.

Tell me, please, and how many times a week did you work with the speech therapist? How many did a lot of home at that moment when a speech therapist went to you?

How many years was your child when he began to talk very well, ask questions and t d?

I, of course, are not a special, but it seems to me that this is not autism any - on contact with any adults, he is perfectly walking, smiling, looks into the eyes and even always asks me: "Mom, look at me!" When he appears to me If I do not look at him at that moment. With the older children played another year ago into some active games. Well peers just started, but it can easily ignor them, if there is no mood. And we are never Nobody spoiled about autism.

Together with me, even something to gather and draw - it's not at all to Sasha. I barely forced the pyramid to 2.5 !!! For years. It is now more complex pyramids for his age already greatly collects well, but all this is collective - it's not at all. It was liked to draw him at one time, but it was three years old - Balyaki Malyaki, then now I liked to paint paints, but it's not for a short time and also koryavo. Sasha instantly grasps how to handle any technique (TV, prefix, spending DVD, phone), So that he could see the cartochmile.gif) knows the correct cartoon number, even if there is no digit indicating the number. In general, our numbers are the letters, colors, shapes, buttons, technician - he learned everything for this month, the colors generally anyone knows what.

He in my late December went to mini kindergarteniR at home, so there it was not to know him - it was sitting with the children (still with two) and painted, painted something, they did a lot with him, but there was a very competent girl, I found an approach to him.

It is possible to achieve it from him a lot, our speech therapist at home is also almost calm for already. He disrupts the group classes in this garden and he is withdrawn and spent the speech therapist Sadikovsky says that it cannot be engaged in it individually (and does not obviously) . In that garden, he did not interfere in classes, but, as I understand it, I didn't really do it there. Wim, on this moment He needs individual classes and gradually socialize, communicating with children.

Change the kindergarten (although it is very difficult !!!), or at least a group, and then the child is trembling there, they will be considered an outsider and abnormal! Maybe with the Garden Methodist this topic to discuss?

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 01:20 pm

QUOTE.

QUOTE. (Mama_Natasha @ Oct 6 2011, 02:28 pm)

There are some behavioral features that are stounted by strangely (maybe for the group worn and screaming excitedly in the game)

Uh ... Well, it's like an ordinary child behavior, no?

Well, it differs from the peers in the garden - everyone sit together playing together, Sasha is worn out (this is in this garden, he could quietly sit and watch the book).

Well, I'm saying - Grymza shook the child, do you need it?

No need)

So what? Well, broke down - kids.

And I already have a complex - it seems to me that if Sasha does something like this and somehow pay attention to it, then it makes only Sasha and it is very abnormal.

Not two, judging by the listed skills. It seems to me that the "intelligence" depends on when a child began to speak - if later - then it will ask later. Of course, it is not worth allowed to allow - but also for a correction garden you obviously do not fit. Moreover, neurologists do not see any deviations.

Well, I, too, almost all his behavioral features I write off that I later spoke and our speech therapist agreed with this. But he has chips - he does not know how to confuse and shy, fear, does not know the borders, maybe a child (of any age From the baby to 12 years old) to come up and snatch a toy ... Little children cry, big fucking from such arrogance) We learn that it is impossible, and so on, he even understands, but still can snatch if something really likes him. He plays with himself in Smesharikov, quoting them, murkering themselves under his breath and dancing, it looks fun on the outside ... But without these such chips, it produces absolutely normal.

I have a nephew hyper. The concentration of attention (4 years in May was) enough for a maximum of 2-3 minutes (there is no speech there). He moves exclusively by running, such a motor - the guard is nothing to do with anything. They said, turn around. We do not have a hyper exactly - and imagine, IMHO, any child can, if you do not stop in time.

And they are this raging accept inadequate behavior, t they can not stop him, but in that garden there is a certain overexcited and nervous, now sitting at home, much calmer, it finds it that he can jump and okay, but a minute from the power and I don't know okay it or Not. I have no idea at all that the norm, but what is not.

Yep. Educators need to treat medication. And electricity. Not your case unambiguous

To transfer to them or what?)) The husband is terribly angry on them, wants them to arrange a scandal there, but for a start, it is necessary for Sasha to be OK in another garden, plus I believe that the scandal is easy to arrange - they do not care.

He just started in this garden. Literally a couple of weeks ago, the girl alone said that he played with her, he liked the boy, also somehow played and Sasha said that he liked to play with him.

It's nice to hear it, especially after all the "noise", which was poured on us.
My problem is that I constantly compare and everything is not in Sasha ...

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 01:47 PM

QUOTE. (Sonyata @ Oct 7 2011, 09:10 AM)

The speech therapist comes 2 times a week, engaged in hour and a half. Over a year and a half, it was speaking speech, put all the sounds. Now she is engaged in preparation for school. There is contact with the child, he is listening. And at home to do .... I work a lot and nervously, i.e. Engaged episodically. I can jerk him every day, I can score. Everything is irregular.
For your Sashka, it would be good for classes in small groups, i.e. And not individual, and not group. And autism really unlike.
By the way, we had this summer when I mixed the groups: the teacher (alien) I said that she was worried that my child did not play with other children, in itself (last year it was). I talked to him, he had an answer "because my friends are not there, but I don't want to play with these!". Returned to his group - everything was normal.
He began to speak well by 5 years, after classes. I went at 11 months, spoke in some words in 2.5 years, a phrase speech - after 3 years, i.e. late.

You feel good, you at least have the opportunity to work. I can not imagine that I do now, if I worked. Breeding officially, I can led back to this garden, but after all this will not lead anyone. Yes, for three hours I had to take , T k had to go down when I took a speech therapist. Viciously said that Sasha broke her dull for classes and that I "knew to buy". And the tip of Izbivly thanked that we dad to sleep with the whole group ... (I took it to sleep today ... ). In August, he also slept in this garden and never broke anything ...

I can't ask Sasha "Why are you doing this?", He still poorly understands causal - investigative relationships, here our speech therapist just told on Wednesday that homework Starting to develop these causal relationships. I probably spoke to Sasha with some words in some words, and a phrase speech of 3.9 went somewhere. Now it can say: "Mom, the bear has lost, I can't find it." - This is probably one of the most difficult phrases he spoke, but he progresses every day, which I am very glad and it was at this moment that I wonder that he mentally retard inadequate ...

We will definitely change, I will go on Monday to the department of setting up the gardens (or as it is called there) and I will talk, I wanted to go yesterday, but they said that about the transfer to another kindergarten is only on Monday.

Oct 7 2011, 01:51 PM

QUOTE. (Mama_Natasha @ Oct 7 2011, 12:20 pm)

Sasha is one rushing

Well so, if these grymses thus got rid of all "uncomfortable" children - they have children who are easily leaving for training - where they planted, sit there and sit

Kukaryamba

Oct 7 2011, 02:10 pm

Normal child, cell word. In short, I agree with the rosette: to learn the rapids and mother calm down. And find a normal garden or somehow put in place aunts in the present.

Damn damn, God give a minute, if the running in half an hour - usually, usually, if the weather is bad and do not walk - my whole day is riding and jumps - well, with 10 minute breaks on the game can, just have all Sasha movable and loud boys?
Stop comparing. And then you get, as with a medical director - anyone, to whom he falls into hand, at first, all the diseases looks like symptoms - and finds, even if healthy

I have Vova, not Sasha, and all the same - the removal of the brain. As he can jump - it is generally a separate sausage.

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 03:29 PM

They position so that all normal children are "easily leaving for training" and if someone is not easy - he is a nutty inadequate, who needs a psychiatrist.
The problem is that they are already prepared by the characteristic of the psychologist from this garden, and there it will clearly be a terrible simply, I need a certificate from a psychiatrist that it is normal, and I can get to the psychiatrist no earlier than in a month, we still have a reception at the Institute Correct. The pedagogics of the 20th of the number (a year ago there were horrors, they did not see), it seems to me that it is so easy to say from the Logosad, where they will not be translated about Sasha that it will not be translated from us to normal, you need to stock whole certificates ... In short, there will be a cheerful war, I hope to win

Most children break toys. And adults too. And about some they say - "inborn tester" (the one who is looking for errors where they should not be) - about those who have the cat's hands always fall on the back, sandwiches with butter down, etc.

Well, maybe this is my some self-timers ...

Moms will correct me if it is not. I walk on the site - and almost any child from 3 to 5-6 fits and easily at my son toys picks up. So I think the norm.

Never in life did not see anything like that, on the contrary, everything is awesome when it does this Sasha, and in the garden, in the words of the educators, no one ever does anything anyone except Sasha. But in the garden now, it seems nothing in the garden.

Now I put it to sleep, mutters something quite loudly, plays, sits, jumps out of bed, jumps from her (i.e., the children would interfere with sleep), then he falls asleep after these "manipulations ... but before it was The same thing is always, but somehow they coped with him to these rapids ... Did the sleeping pills do you ??!: Wacko: (While adding everything, he sort of fell asleep, silence there ...)

Yes, I also try not to compare, but I come to the garden to take it, all the children (in Logosad !!!) "Hello, and see what I have, and what I have a blouse \\ toy!" Other children: "And I have better, see!" and so on, Sasha is sitting, bolding around in the magazine about Smeshariki, and he, judging by his mind, deeply in parallel, what is happening there around, who has some blouses, of whom the name is, he turns to me and shows me all sneaks drawn in The journal, calling them by name ... And everything can be so possible several times in a circle.
This, of course, kills when such a clear contrast goes. But then he can talk about something normally, but at all exactly not as other children, like "Mom, I want to store, let's go buy a harmonic!" . He is now a chip - collects all the musical instruments, we already have a piano, guitar, a doodie (well, all the children's childhood). Moreover, he somehow guessed that these are all musical instruments, and the harmonica saw in the picture with a sneakers and twist for a month.
He all walks some "I want it, I want to let's buy" (spoiled scary for the one. Time). So what we are talking about Smeshariki, toys that they are interested, cartoons, TV, restaurants, well, in general About all sorts of entertainment. It seems in 4 years the child is actively interested in the world around the world, compares everything and T D. Sash in Fi-Gu.
We started about the seasons, he says to me "I want to snow, the new year and gifts and smiles happily, in anticipation of gifts." The receptionist had some gifts, she was in shock)

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 03:38 PM

The aunts in the present already unreal and do not want.
It is unreal because there the head of the head began to translate us into the correctional garden, but I don't want, because it hates educators and speakers there. Don't want my child to go there where they treat him how to idiot with the words: "Run !! His idiot You can still save !! I feel so sorry for him! " And behave accordingly with him.

The tip of his cool bed stacked, tells me: "I keep it on the bed with my hand so that he does not get up, he cries and I am with him," I could not even comment from shock even this ... Forcibly keep it in general, he is then Really begins to cry and resent.

Oct 7 2011, 04:41 pm

Otherwise, they cuddle re.
Later I will write something that I think about the situation.

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 04:50 PM

QUOTE. (Sonyata @ Oct 7 2011, 03:41 PM)

I can't write a lot, now I'm running away ....
In short, so. Natasha, take not a defensive, but attacker position. Write a complaint to the teacher of the head, further - in the department of the pick-up (preschool), talk with the head. Preschool, say that they are ready to go higher, but do not do it if the conflict from the boosters will decide peacefully by your translation to another garden - you will all safely forget. God is up to start justifying. The conclusion of the neurologist - the face of the brick - "I have a normal child, and the educators are unqualified!" The only way.
Otherwise, they cuddle re.
If you need help writing complaints and complaints - I will help.
Later I will write something that I think about the situation.

Thank you so much!!!
Only the only thing - on the teacher is useless to write to the head, t to the head of the teacher herself in the presence of the educator and began to ask me about the psychiatrist and gently so to let that a correctional garden is needed, it's about me that a complex child, there is no inadequate behavior , Psychiatrist, etc. I am afraid of this psychological characteristic of the psychologist Sadovsky, she will write so for a correction garden that Mom does not burn!
It remains only to rely on the certificates of neurologists, psychiatrists and the institute of the Rabrek. Pedagogy.
And it is not yet a fact that they still do not flip some kind of SAD ...

Oct 7 2011, 06:30 pm

There is a urban PMPC, you can write a child for her - not from the garden, but the most. PMPK will give his conclusion, having communicated with the re (naturally, they will not know the characteristics of the garden, you can generally say that the child is Nonadovsky). It's free. Surveying re, they will make a conclusion that can be proudly swung in preschool, referring to the incompetence of the head and garden. Either silently break and throw away if the conclusion does not suit, make conclusions for yourself and work with re.

Maybe such that the head of stupid money wants?

Mama Natasha

Oct 7 2011, 07:33 PM

And how can you get on this pampk, how to find out when it is and where?
And the opinion of specialists from the Center for Correctional Pedagogy for the Garden will not be so secure?

No, I don't think she wants money, they are afraid of taking, there the heading is very understanding and I like it, it seems to me that it was raised by the rapids, who are fighting for her because of Sasha to complain about him and say how it's all heavily And terrible.

I think the adaptation of him is difficult + friends have not yet started + stacks bad.
And the head of not so wonderful, if you cannot build your team, so as not to run and did not complain.

Sarah Conna

Oct 7 2011, 09:18 pm

City PMPK is located on the basis of a 6 children's psychoneurological hospital. You can get there in the direction of the district psychiatrist in 2 stages - it will send re. In the 6th Hospital, and the Psychiatrist in the 6th already on the PMPC.

Oct 7 2011, 10:31 pm

I'm afraid of these all sorts of hospitals ...
In general, I trust the institute of the Rabrek. Pedagogy. Last year went to the center of the district for problem children (I forgot how it is correctly called, in every area there is such a kind of emerge), so there were specialists different, including from some psycho-neurological hospital, and this one from the hospital Quietly stated that Sasha was most likely Alalia (Sasha then did not say yet), but of course he said that it was necessary to be examined, I was terribly frightened.
Then he fell into the Institute of Razork. Pedagogy, where I was told that no Sasha had Alalia and even explained why. In the result, it turned out that it was not Alalia, that he soon spoke and without any medicine.

I am all to the fact that I am afraid that there you will mention such diagnoses that they immediately go and dying.
T. K. I realized that there are doctors who do not see anything at all, even if they have them in front of the nose, and there are those who put terrible diagnoses when there are practically no grounds ...

Mama Natasha

Oct 8 2011, 01:55 am

QUOTE. (Emptiness @ Oct 7 2011, 09:31 PM)

In such a rhythm they were engaged in 2 years (there were still some group classes 2 times a week, I already do not remember everything .. on the day after the garden there were 2-3 ways to different areas of Moscow for classes on the hour / two). Then they were engaged in the year, replacing the kinesotherapist with dancing, a psychologist theater, an English appeared, and so on. Already went to ordinary classes, but where necessary to fulfill the requirements, engage in the team. From the "special" specialists that year remained a speech therapist and psychologist. This year we are already without medication. We have preparations for school 2 times a week (2 hours), Dzuu-up to 2 times a week (for 30 minutes), theater (vocals + dancing) 2 times a week (2 hours), swimming pool. In general, the schedule is much easier. Unfortunately, finished engaging with a psychologist (by age came). And the speech therapy appeared family circumstances .. We will try to negotiate with it for a fee and longer ...

psychologist and defectologist - in the district center. After PMPC.

we didn't give anything, in my opinion, I didn't give anything, except for the pleasure of my daughter))) But the overall picture began to be corrected .. What really came true - I do not know.

i was pregnant, then gave birth to the year. Therefore, the whole intensity fell on my maternity leave .. so jumped in class ("We also participate in our mommies, it's a Taapa for children") - first with a 8-month belly, then with a baby in the cradle ....

You are a mother heroine !!! You need a monument at life !!! I'm serious!!
Even during pregnancy and with a baby ... for me it is just the top of heroism.
I thought that I was super mother when I drove Sasha twice a week to the speech therapist and waited in the car for 40 minutes, looking moving on the phone

I also think about a psychologist or neuropsychologist ... I was advised by a neuropsychologist, but I have not yet found ... and we want the pool too.

- There is a goal

by the way, we still went to the center of Ronald McDonald. There for complex kids. But start there are excellent: such patient and spiritual people few. + All classes are built in such a way that no one will look askance on the running boy, but also to "make" (in normal ways. Remove). There we went to Lego. This center is free. what is not less important. Because in the "difficult" 2 years we gave over 20 thousand per month for various classes ... not counting dolphinotherapy in the summer.
group Sports Classes is just what you need!
- There are enough simple rules
- There is a goal
- This is a team game, that is, you need to interact
- this is a fast game, so teams are given (short simple words). This facilitates understanding. He understands, he is understood!
- The result is immediately visible. He is concrete.
- There is a coach, and it must be obeying.
- There is an example of other guys. who are listening and achieved goals.
not your concern, how he will wear there. You do not go there a son not for professional skills of football or gymnastics - namely to teach interaction on a simple, sports, example.
we went to the group, there was a "bar of obstacles." It was necessary to bring somewhere somewhere, somewhere to climb, ride, sprinkle .. Children's happiness there was no limit. And there was not a single child who would not do! And the children were well, sooooo different and complex! And even then in the pairing ball played.
by the way, we still went to the center of Ronald McDonald. There for complex kids. But to start there is excellent: there are few patient and mental people. + All classes are built in such a way that no one will look askance on the running boy, but also to "make" (in normal ways. Remove). There we went to Lego. This center is free. what is not less important. Because in the "difficult" 2 years we gave over 20 thousand per month for various classes ... not counting dolphinotherapy in the summer. Yeah ... medication, it means not a panacea)

I am about medicine ... no, not treatment, rather, medication correction, I want to say. We have a hyperactive, also with a VRC, sent to the correctional garden, but our neuropathologist said that it makes sense to walk with ordinary children - in our correctional, our level will be a high level, which will rather fall. I appointed classes with a speech therapist and additionally - sedative, no, not phenibut, and tenothen - it acts precisely as calming, only the difference is here:
- you need to drink it precisely by the course, and not to give at the moments of high activity
- reduces anxiety and activity (excitability, aggression), but at the same time -
- does not introduce into a stupor state, not clone in sleep
- helps concentrate memory and attention (useful for classes)

We caught up with the average rate somewhere for four months, while lagging behind almost a year with a speech.

A visit to a kindergarten will have to be almost every child, but far from each of them take into ordinary pre-school educational institution (DOU). There are kids with certain health problems. There are existence for them correctional kindergartens. Developed programs of such institutions eliminate health problems, help Chadam adapt, develop correctly, learn to establish contact and learn at the level with other children.

For whom are you intended?

Correctional Dow differ in specialization, intended for children:

With poor eyesight. You can get into such an institution through the extract of the eyepiece. As a rule, these are children who weakly see, suffer from squinting or astigmatism.
Which often get sick. You can get into such a garden through a pediatrician certificate. The doctor decides to visit the child a special institution. It makes such a direction based on the history of crumb diseases during the year.
With bad hearing. Designed for children who are deaf from birth or weighted.
With impaired musculoskeletal system. The direction is obtained from a neurologist or orthopedic. Todders are taken to it who have a diagnosis of cerebral palsy, with a sequence of neck or paralysis. It is necessary in such gardens to conduct special work on the restoration and formation of the motor activity of the child. Such children require a special approach and attention of specialists.

Other directions

In addition, there are other specialized pre-school institutions. One of them is a speech therapy. It discharges the direction of the speech therapist.

It is designed to work with children who have a delay speech Development or a number of other speech therapy problems.

Another type of special institutions is orthopedic. You can get into it through recommendations from orthopedic. Take the kids who have a breastfish, congenital dislocation, scoliosis of the lower back, curvature of the legs.

How to get into specialized dow?

The main condition for this is the directions of the doctor who discharges the therapist, orthopedist or another doctor after observing the child, formulation of the diagnosis and appointment of treatment. Training in a correctional institution is an additional method that is included in the treatment complex.

After receiving the direction, a psychological and medical and pedagogical commission is required. It gives conclusion about whether it is advisable to go to such a kindergarten. In case of confirmation, parents with documents go to the head, which determines the kid to the group.

Correction gardens take into account the problem associated with the health of the child. Groups are much smaller than children than in simple doo. This makes it possible to get attention and care from qualified professionals more than kids.

A significant minus of such institutions is the location. Sometimes the baby has to drag through the whole city. It is hard not only to him, but also his parents. For such cases, there are existed gardens in which round-the-clock groups work. If necessary, parents can be calm, knowing that their child is supervised.

All correctional kindergartens in Moscow you can find in our catalog

It is believed that the speech therapy garden is a definite "stigma" in personal case Baby. Is it really?

To begin with, let's figure it out what is the speech therapy group?

Correctional groups are divided into speech (speech therapy) and groups of children with SPR (psycho-speech development delay).

In the speech therapy groups, there are sounds that were not, and corrected incorrectly pronounced (correction of speech defects), enrich the dictionary, develop a phonderatic perception, a coherent speech, teach proper grammatical design. In senior and in preparatory group Conduct training for literacy.

There are also a speech therapist, and a defectologist (in addition to educators who have the necessary qualifications).

Every year for of different ages - This is a multifaceted job. There are kindergartens, where all the groups are speech. There are - where only groups with SRRs.

There are gardens where group speech (speech therapy) + groups with SRR + ordinary groups \u003d combination garden garden. There is an ordinary garden where there is a logopunk. Children are credited to the logopunk only with disturbed pronunciation.

But in any version, the speech therapy group in our time is not a punishment, but most likely a remuneration, because it has become more difficult to get there, and the general underdevelopment of speech is easier to correct in the garden, where all the work is aimed at eliminating this problem.

Perhaps no one is no longer a secret that in the speech therapy preparation of children, no offense will be said, sometimes much stronger than in mass kindergartens. Because kids from the speech therapy kindergarten come to school with a much better dictionary than children from an ordinary kindergarten. They know more, they have wider vocabulary, many skills are better formed, starting with graphic skills, sound-alphabetic analysis and ending with stories by pictures. Better formed generalizing concepts. That is, the children come from speech therapy gardens even more prepared.

You can independently track the promotion of the sequence of your child in the electronic magazine accounting for future pupils.

Step 2. Go to the speech therapist in the district clinic.

The speech therapist examines the child, gives a direction for the passage of the PMPC (Psychological and Medical and Pedagogical Commission).

Step 3. Collect for PMPK a few references:

from the ENT doctor
okulista
pediatrician
neuropathologist (for children under 3 years old),
psychiatrist.

Step 4. Find the address of your district PMPC, call and make an appointment.

Step 5. On the appointed day to come to the examination with the child.

What documents do you need for a speech therapy garden?

Documents for passing PMPK

certificate of the birth of a child;
parental passport or a person replacing it (for temporarily living in Moscow and certificate of registration);
four medical conclusions:
- pFD children's psychiatrist at the place of residence of the child (for children under 3 years old - the neuropathologist district children's polyclinic),
- speech therapist district children's clinic
- otolaryngologist District Children's Polyclinic,
- okulist district children's clinic.

If the child has previously visited a kindergarten, it is necessary to additionally provide a psychological and pedagogical characteristic of this kindergarten.

If the child has previously passed the commission in another city or district PMPC, it is necessary to additionally provide the psychological and medical and pedagogical conclusion of this commission.

Your child will look the following specialists:

speech therapist,
psychologist,
sometimes a psychoneurologist.

The task of the Commission is to determine whether the child really lags behind the peers in the speech development or parents simply reinsured. Maybe they certainly want to write a baby in speech therapy groupDespite the excellent speech and development of age? It happens!

If the Commission decides that there is a child's problems, then the question arises: what exactly is the speech the doctor to send a baby? After all, diagnoses are different, depending on them and a group of children of a certain age is gaining.

For example, if a 4-year-old baby is diagnosed with a general underdevelopment of speech (ONR) of the 1-2th level, "the senior speech therapist looks in which kindergarten this year is gaining a 4-pilot with such a diagnosis.

And if the 6-year-old child has problems with sound-proof (distorted hissing, whistling, the baby does not argue "P" and "L"), then such a child will be sent to another group - preparatory, where and the other program, and the requirements for learning outcomes above .

For stunting kids, individual gardens are provided with their program and a set of specialists (there, for example, are classes on art therapy).

The Child Commissions are determined in one of the following groups:

stuttering;
general underdevelopment of speech (here guide children with a delay in speech development or rude lexico-grammatical violations of speech);
phonetic-phonderatic violation of speech (simply speaking, these are violations of pronunciation - cases where the child pronounces 10-12 sounds);
pronunciation of individual sounds (2-3 sounds).

So, your child will look and give a certificate about the passage of the PMPC.

Only after the commission, parents can breathe calmly: September 1, the kid will accurately go to the garden.

In addition to gardens that are fully given under speech therapy needs, speech therapy groups in ordinary gardens are commonly distributed.

Comment Article "How to get into the speech therapy kindergarten?"

Good day. The article is named for me as children with speech therapy problems do not fall into kindergarten. It happens ...... we have the conclusion of this commission, but no registration in this city, where we now live. And we are denied in kindergarten, by the way, even in simple, and in medical specialized assistance. So .... and it's true. Where to write to whom to complain? That is the question.

11.11.2015 13:53:44, Catherine

1. Included in the clinic, did not pronounce R, W, Shch
2. Lit direction to the logosad
3. In the logosad, they gave a piece of paper what doctors you need to go
4. Read the paper in the garden
5. In May, there was a commission, we were impaired by some tests. I wanted and asked what kind of garden with the speaker we want, we told them.
September 6, came to the garden.
Classes take place 2 times a week alone with a speech therapist. A lot of tasks are given to the house. Gymnastics with a tongue, fingers. And any speech therapy.
I am very pleased.
Despite the fact that from the gardens, the speech therapists will be removed from us, everything is still. And speech therapist and psychologist.
And the nurse by 17 people. Just lucky with the head, defended the kindergarten.

03/02/2013 18:39:59, logo

I also believe that it is better to deal with the speech therapist in private, and in the garden, the usual walk, only there, too, the problem is also to get.

28.02.2013 16:28:29,

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Who needs to go to a specialized kindergarten

Children suffering from certain diseases and in need of certain care and special occupations. This is exactly what they offer children's gardens of a compensatory species. Of course, you can send the child and in the usual kindergarten near the house, but there the additional needs of your child will not be satisfied.

So, specialized kindergartens Follow the following types:

Kindergarten for frequency children - As follows from the name, it is a kindergarten for those who often suffer. The decision on the direction of the child to such a kindergarten takes a pediatrician on the basis of how often the child ached over the past year.
Speech therapy kindergarten Designed for children with speech delay and other speech therapy problems. Direction in kindergarten gives a speech therapist.
Kindergarten for children with violation can visit children with weak vision, astigmatism, squint, etc. The direction in the kindergarten can be obtained from an oculist.
Orthopedic Children's Sad. Suitable for children with thoracic deformation, congenital dislocations and thighs, lumbar scoliosis, x-shaped and u-shaped legs. Direction can be obtained from orthopedic.
IN Kindergarten for children with hearing impairment choose deaf and weakly impaired children.
IN kindergarten for children with mental delay Take children with a diagnosis of SRR (mental delay) as a result of injury, transferred to the disease or due to heredity. In order to get into kindergarten, you will need to conclude a neurologist (or psychiatrist), oculist, speech therapist and otolaryngologist.
Kindergarten for children with impaired musculoskeletal system Designed for children with limited motor functions. These are children suffering from cerebrals, paralysis, Krivoshe. In kindergartens of this type a comprehensive correctional workaimed at forming motor functions. Children with the above diagnoses need special medical supervision, so they will not accept them into an ordinary kindergarten. The direction in the kindergarten should write an orthopedist and a neurologist.

How to get into a specialized kindergarten

The order of admission to specialized gardens is different from reception to ordinary. The first thing you need is the direction from the doctor. Then with this direction and the child himself (necessarily) you will go to the Psychological and Medical and Pedagogical Commission (PMPC). The Commission will make a conclusion about the feasibility of visiting the child a specialized kindergarten, and if this is a positive conclusion, you go straight to the head.

As mentioned above, the opportunity to visit a specialized kindergarten is worth attaching certain efforts. First, groups in specialized gardens are significantly less than in ordinary gardens - 7-15 people. Accordingly, caregivers pay more attention to children. And secondly, visiting a specialized kindergarten, your child will receive exactly what he needs.

There are specialized kindergartens and cons associated with the fact that they are not always in the zone walking distance. Sometimes the baby has to lead to the other end of the city. That is why many compensatory kindergarten kindergartens have a round-the-clock group. However, not every parent is ready to part with the kid so for a long time.

In short, where pluses, there are cons. And what outweighs, decide, of course, you.

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Comments

Kinderok Thu, 08/09/2011 - 16:15

Lyudmila, discuss your concerns with an orthopist, who sent you to this group, perhaps your child could visit the usual or other specialized group.